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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2007 8:29 am 
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That's the way it is in everyone's world I'm sorry to say.


I'm sorry, I should have made myself more clear. I meant that even if it DOES happen in everyone's world, it doesn't mean ANYONE (myself included) HAS to accept it!!! If YOU choose to, then so be it, that's YOUR world, not mine.


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... when you work for someone under the table or for a company that doesn't have to abide by any kind of labor laws you have to expect this sort of thing, even if it is the wrong thing.



We DID expect it.... at least I did

I expected, based on the way things were going, to be out of a job at some point. what I didn't expect was to be locked out without so much as a "have a nice day"

We know that labor laws don't protect someone who gets paid under the table, but the a manager could have at least had the decency to say "sorry, we have to let you go".... instead of passing the buck and having someone else (who is also being let go) do it for him. We're not looking for a gold watch, just a little respect and acknowledgement that we actually worked there.


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Summed up very well, Bingo Police. I'm sorry you were one of them that got crapped on. Much luck and many blessings :-)).


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well after reading all of your post i must say i must of been the lucky one as the cm head told me i was let go and appologized for it. i too expected it but not the way it happened.

as for working under the table, i have worked under the table at many jobs right here in the united states so sue me already. and never ever was i treated the way they treat people. sorry babiesdream but you are really not in touch with how it really is. don't know how old you are but you certianly haven't been poor. i mean really poor in the united states.
yes we have oportunitys but when you put it all together, not all are privy to those oportunities. such as those who had learning disabilites when i was in school. kids who couldn't learn were passed from grade to grade even tho they couldn't read, or caculate math problems. so what did these proud people do. the only thing they could do, work under the table so at least they could provide a roof over their families heads, and food on the table.

labor laws haven't always been the way they are now, and because of that people right here in the united states have been treated badly, and they did and still do whatever they have to do to make sure they can live and eat even tho they are not thriving.

don't get me wrong i love my country, but the politians need to live the lives of some of the poor people in this country and find out what its all about, and then they need to pass laws to make sure they have better chances for employment. i know i'm probably not making myself clear on this as i just had a mini stroke a couple of weeks ago and i'm still not thinking clearly, and therefore i know i'm missing something i should say. what i'm trying to say is just this, grow up woman and live in the real world, go do some volenteer work for some of the poorer communities in the united states you just might learn something.

you try living on less that $500 a month and see how you do. and don't say there are programs on housing for these people and food stamps. there are long waiting list for housing usually taking 1 to 5 years to be able to even get it. try living on social security, with 10 dollars a month in food stamps. you couldn't do it. and neither can a lot of people. so can and do but these people are those that had good jobs, have their houses cars and such paid for. those that were poor didn't have the luxury of buying a house. they couldn't get a down payment together to get one. i know because i've been there.

uhhh bren you can have your soap box back now i'm done or i'll make a novel out of this.


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I'm sorry to hear you're not well, Gin. I had no idea. I'll be praying for your health to improve and that you will feel better very soon. I understand what you mean. People do what they gotta do to survive, and most of those people are humble people that struggle to make ends meet. But those people struggling to make ends meet and doing what they gotta do to survive don't, for the most part, treat other humans as though they don't matter in this world. You, my friend are one of those people that got burned and had your job stripped from you with no explanation and were fed lies during the hours that it happened. I'm sorry you had to endure that. Stress can often times make a person's health suffer. I only hope that the stress from losing your job like you did isn't the reason you're now having health difficulties.

I've thought about this thread lots this morning and I will say this:

There are companies all over everywhere that pay their employees, withhold their taxes out and send them to the IRS, provide benefits, and are very good at providing their employees with the important things that they need to survive. But many of THOSE companies still treat their people with disrespect and harshness that's uncalled for. I slam them to the ground just as much as those who don't take taxes out, provide benefits, and provide their employees with the important things that they need to survive. There's NO reason for ANY company ANYWHERE to treat people as if they don't matter.

In most of humankind, people long for and need approval. They need to know they are of value. And being the optimist that I am, I tend to believe that most of the companies out there today treat their employees with respect. Places like B.E. that dump their employees without a word (or like Bingo Police said, respect and acknowledgement that at least you worked there) are in the minority, and although they are outside the USA, they should treat their employees as they would wish to be treated. Would this company like it if all of their employees just up and walked out without a word and left THEM without a word of explanation? NO THEY WOULDN'T! It's just not that much to ask of a supposedly professional business to give their employees a word of encouragement upon dismissing them from a job. Especially when it's no choice of the employees (merging sites and closing out their places of employment). It isn't that difficult or time consuming to send out a message saying: "We're sorry, but in light of the recent happenings in the online gaming industry, we regret to inform you that your services are no longer needed at this time." HOW HARD WOULD THAT BE??

When a person in your shoes, Gin, receives nothing but your paycheck (and the vacation pay you were promised) and no benefits, you STILL need your job. Job security is not provided by ANY company out there, I don't care who they are. But you and I recognize (as does Bingo Police) that barring all the rest of it (the benefits, the job security, the taxes being taken out) each and every company WORLDWIDE should maintain professional and ethical values in regard to human life. Treating people as B.E. has is shameful, whether they pay benefits or not. Treating people with respect comes from The Bible, not from written labor laws.

I'm glad to see that there are a few people out there that see what I'm trying to say.

Thank you, Gin and Bingo Police for speaking out.

God bless you, Gin. I hope you are better very soon.


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P.S. (Thanks for my soap box back, Gin. Feel free to use it anytime you like LOL.)


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I expected, based on the way things were going, to be out of a job at some point. what I didn't expect was to be locked out without so much as a "have a nice day"


I agree the way you all were let go was the wrong way to do it, and I am sure the site owner is regretting that decision now, because it must have hurt business big time.



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don't know how old you are but you certianly haven't been poor. i mean really poor in the united states.


No but I have been poor, I mean really poor in Canada. My husband worked 2 weeks at a under the table job doing dry wall, one day his boss didn't pick him up for work, the job they were on was finished. He was given the hardest and dirtiest job on the job site, and was paid less than minimum wage seeing as the job was under the table. My husband never heard from the guy again and was never paid for the work he did. Now is that fair? No of course it isn't but my husband had no recourse. You can't make someone pay you that were never suppose to be working for in the first place.

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so what did these proud people do. the only thing they could do, work under the table so at least they could provide a roof over their families heads, and food on the table.


As I said above, been there, done that, got bit in the A$$.

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don't get me wrong i love my country, but the politians need to live the lives of some of the poor people in this country and find out what its all about, and then they need to pass laws to make sure they have better chances for employment.


I agree 100% with that, I have to admit here in Canada it's much better in those ways than in the United States. Our school system and health care system is so much better than the United States is.

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you try living on less that $500 a month and see how you do.


Been there done that on less than $500. I am not saying that working under the table is wrong, some people have no other recourse, what I am saying is if you have a job like that you have to be prepared for what could happen, you are not protected by anyone.

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what i'm trying to say is just this, grow up woman and live in the real world, go do some volenteer work for some of the poorer communities in the united states you just might learn something.


If you are addressing me here, you have no idea what I have done in my life so don't even assume you do. I am sorry your health is suffering that stinks. But please don't assume to know me. For you information now that I am back on my feet, I do a lot of volunteer work and give to many charities including the ones that helped me out in the past. When I speak in this forum, I am speaking from experience, I'm not just pulling this stuff out of my butt.


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I agree the way you all were let go was the wrong way to do it, and I am sure the site owner is regretting that decision now, because it must have hurt business big time.


What hurt business the most for them was locking out the US players. It didn't need to be done, and the sites that didn't lock out US players profited and are profiting now because of the unwise decision BE made. The need to merge sites and the subsequent GM lockouts were brought on very simply because the management at BE made a bad move. Then, when they realized their mistake, they invited the US players back and gave them incentives to play. The problem was that the damage had already been done. The pots were lowered to rock bottom and no effort was made to encourage the returning players to stay. Why stay at BE and play for a $5.00 pot when they could go to another place and play for pots four times that size... or more?

And so, once again the players left. As a result, with the player counts lower than they had been since their doors first opened, they had no choice but to retreat, consolidate and put almost 20 people out of work.

BE may never recover from this, and if they don't it's their own fault


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Babys,...Who are the quotes from you have placed in your above posts? Are they all from the same person? And who are you quoting?

It is really not clear to readers to quote a person without identifying them when you choose to reply to a statement or remark. Difficult to keep continuity in a thread like that. Thanks!!!!!!!


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what i'm trying to say is just this, grow up woman and live in the real world, go do some volenteer work for some of the poorer communities in the united states you just might learn something.


I can't speak for anyone but me in this case. I have & do this work weekly and by & large they have it better than most. They get FREE Health & Dental care. They get food stamps to feed their family. Not all, but the majority. What amazes me more than anything is somehow they manage to have working computers with the Internet where they are able to complain to those who pay their taxes weekly so they can have those food stamps & FREE health & Dental care & Internet. I would imagine there are or were quite a few welfare moms or dads as bingo CM's who didn't claim their earnings. Hell, for all we know they were & are playing online Bingo as we speak. So in essence what I learned from many years at serving the so called poor is they would like to make you think they have so bad but they don't. Only a mere 22% where I live actually have a very hard time surviving. The ones who struggle more are the real working class making barely enough to survive on and somehow they manage to keep going.... And............. They still pay their taxes ~!!!!!!!!!!

In a *positive * light.....There are very few of us that truly know anything about each other except that we all want to do right by the players and the fair bingo sites and TOGETHER ( no matter rich or poorer ) UNITED is the only possible way it can be done ~!!!!

I BEEN THERE / Missy


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I agree! I can't follow this thread with not knowing who is quoting who! I find myself looking back, hoping I can find who said what! If the posters of this thread care about how you are being presented! I again say! If you quote a preson you say: So & So said: than quote!
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I can't follow your post if you can't say who your are quoting

If any of you are having a problem understanding how to us the

quotecorrectly, please contact me!


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It's too much of a pain in the butt to say who the quote is from, all you have to do is read the posts and you can see where I got them. Most of the time I am only quoting from one persons post anyway. I will from now on say who the quote is from but it just looks dumb when I am quoting from the same person all the time to put it in.


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Also I see I am not the only one that does it either, even your moderators do it.


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Wow I wish you could edit things here so I don't have to keep opening a new post to add something I forgot. Really what does it matter who the person you are quoting is from? You are just answering to something someone else said and it makes it clearer if you put it in a quote so everyone knows what sentence you are answering too. There is no need to look back and see where it came from as long as it's there to be answered.


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One can post any way they choose. But if ya want your posts to be understood, quoting only makes it easier for those who may not follow this thread religiously. Personally, I like to know when someone is replying to a certain something I said by using quotes. When they do I know I need to give their comment some extra attention.

Also it is a simple courtesy thing. Not required. Comes down to whatever floats ya boat:). We are all adults here.... I think.

And once again, as moderator of this thread, let's get it back on track!! The subject is...... Bingo Entertainment gets reviewed and rated "in a different light".


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