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 Post subject: amen
PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 2:26 pm 
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This is very ironic that it is called "bullet". Ever hear the expression "bite the bullet"? When a tragedy or misadventure occurs that you have little recourse to repair or change? When involving yourself in a situation that resolves into a "no win" and enduring episode that proves to be burdensome, continuity and participation requires you to bite the bullet and accept the consequences.
If you choose to play online bingo, know that the faults, deviations, misrepresentations and operational structure will have you biting that bullet until your teeth are nubby.What the bulk of this industry is saying to you, as the player, is " Play by our rules, accept with resignation that whatever we decide at any time and for any reason is the only way you can get into the game, and be very careful of making negative remarks or libelous inferences because we hold the right to confiscate your funds".

If I am not mistaken, isnt it when a player LOSES money that affilites and owners benefit? Apparently a great deal of money has been lost by players and the administrative powers are celebrating this with an event to honor those who have "earned" the bulk of available client funds and kept a respectable number of donators at their site with commendable marketing skills.

Fortunately, you do have a choice, albeit one that will take some willpower and determination, but existent nonetheless. That choice is to NOT buy the next round of drinks, nor provide the luxurious amenities at a gathering when YOU, the benefactor, are excluded from the celebration.

It will be business as usual, except possibly for the new ideas that will assist in separating you and your cash. Online bingo is a business, NOT a family oriented, loving environment that is dedicated to player satisfaction. It is all about numbers and cash flow, and the chat arenas, bonuses, and graphics all have one agenda... to get you to SPEND. Should you find it entertaining, socially stimulating or excitingly anticipatory, consider that a functional perk and part of the package designed to keep you depositing in spite of any drawbacks or player issues.
It is YOU, the player that should be rewarded and recognized for contributing your time and money, your loyalty, and your faith in a sites promises and programs that keeps ALL these business people farting through silk underwear.

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 Post subject: Re: Online bingo's best recognized
PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 8:00 am 
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Totally interesting to me that the sites are targeting the big spender attitude and not the little man. If you have the correct fleecing system set-up I would much rather fleece a million people out of a buck or two rather than trying to land that one or two players that will pay out tons of cash.

There has to be a reason that the sites are targetting the big rollers, are there really enough of them around?


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 Post subject: There are many of them
PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 8:21 am 
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and quite a few of them, even if they win big, will usually only cash out part of their winnings and keep on playing or spinning the slots. Surprisingly enough (or maybe not so much a surprise) if you look at the winners list, you will see the same names not only winning at bingo, but they are winning at the slots, keno, and poker games as well. This is an indication to me that they will take part of their winnings and keep some at the site in order to hit big again, over and over and over.

The unfortunate part about seeing those same names for me is that it indicates to me that a very large majority of those names are actually HOUSE players or BOTS that play for the site itself so that the money never leaves EVER. If I'm at a site where massive depositing bonuses are given, even the 'little guy' gets turned into a house player when the wager requirements are so ridiculous that a cashout is pretty unlikely to happen BECAUSE of that huge bonus.

Before I even play at a site anymore, the first things I look at, in this order, is the RULES (FAQ) to see the wager requirements and then the WINNERS list to see how many times in a month the same people show up a number of times and which games they won on.

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 Post subject: Re: Online bingo's best recognized
PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 8:36 pm 
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That actually sounds much more logical. The sites are locking the players so that they can't get out. Then the target would be the big spenders.

Turn a big spender into a house player and you have locked up cash.

But in the end I just don't see why it is so difficult to run a bingo or casino site and make money. The odds are for you, the players are predominantly playing for fun. What is it that makes it so dang expensive and such a pull to cheat people?


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 Post subject: When you see a site
PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 9:21 pm 
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that hardly ever has more than 20 or 25 people in a room, have large coverall games back to back on specific nites, but the same people seem to win consistently...and then you look at the monthly five biggest winners and you tally up the totals in dollars won and they're in the double digit THOUSANDS...it makes you wonder if those people are real or BOTS or House players. It also makes ME speculate that the site is nothing more than a money laundering site that also takes deposits from unsuspecting souls hoping to become one of those five names. It's impossible for a site with only 20-25 players on average to have THAT kind of money floating around that they can play back to back $1,000 or $2500 or $5000 coveralls (which I've never seen get won at one particular site I have in mind) but that ALSO seems to pay out to the top five players double digit thousands on a monthly basis.

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 Post subject: Re: Online bingo's best recognized
PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 5:24 pm 
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WOW never thought about money laundering as a possibility. But that could explain a lot of the sites.


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 Post subject: Re: Online bingo's best recognized
PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 5:33 pm 
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Ouch that hurts to think that unsuspecting players are involved in a money laundering situation. If the site gets caught as a money laundering site can the players also be accused of being involved in it? If so what happens then? Are they arrested along with the site executive and owners?

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 Post subject: Re: Online bingo's best recognized
PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 7:30 am 
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I wouldn't think that players being taken in a money laundering scheme would be affected. I think it would be like the origination of the term where the bad guys actually just used laundry services to get the money back into legitimate circulation.


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 Post subject: Re: Online bingo's best recognized
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When I state that I believe some online bingo sites are nothing more than a money laundering site, I base that on the fact that there are very few players at any given moment in a room and yet the monthly winners' list total indicates that a small handful of players are winning in double digit thousands on a regular basis. The pots don't justify that and nobody is that lucky playing the slots or other casino games on a daily basis. Plus, you rarely if ever see those winners names in a chat room anywhere on the site or if they are listed, you get no response or an automated type that a 'bot' would be programmed to give, such as when a WTG shows up because they won, the response is a short TY. Bots are programmed to 'speak' like a player in chat when it isn't a real person at all but a piece of software able to appear to be real in order to placate the rest of the rest of any real players that may be there. House players are usually real people, but are employees of the site with dummy usernames and the understanding is that they never play with their own cash so all wins, including what shows up in the casino rooms, never get paid out. This way the site has the ability to post a huge win on their winners' list for unsuspecting real depositors. These few real depositors help to legitimize the site and that is the only reason they are there as far as the site is concerned. With NO regulation and no Gaming Commission (except perhaps in the UK) to enforce anything and protecting players, sites have been and continue to be allowed to do anything they want, including using laundered funds being dumped into the site from illegitimate and illegal sources to start them up with, purchase software, PAY management, etc. and for all intents and purposes appear to be legitimate. Since they pay themselves a pretty good paycheck out of laundered funds, that money gets turned around and spent in a legal way on an every day basis.

These are my personal opinions only, but I strongly believe that many of these sites are operating in just this manner....and when trouble starts brewing for a site because of close scrutiny by real players and the database dwindles to nothing, the site closes and opens up under another name...if it's a network with quite a few sites under their umbrella, they 'get sold' and reopen 'under new management' and it all begins again.

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